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Using Ghost 10 to "image" a vista drive
Hi all,
The bootable Ghost 10 CD has the ability to make an image (Ghost 9 could only restore an image).
When I tried to make an image of my laptop that had Vista on it, it complained that the drive "could not be locked".
I booted up an old CD image I had of Ghost 2003 and that didn't complain, but that's using a DOS interface/boot.
Any thoughts on how to make Ghost 10 deal with this "unlockable" drive or why it might be doing that?
Thanks!
- Steve
In article , Steve Maser wrote:
Hi all,
The bootable Ghost 10 CD has the ability to make an image (Ghost 9 could only restore an image).
When I tried to make an image of my laptop that had Vista on it, it complained that the drive "could not be locked".
I booted up an old CD image I had of Ghost 2003 and that didn't complain, but that's using a DOS interface/boot.
Any thoughts on how to make Ghost 10 deal with this "unlockable" drive or why it might be doing that?
Thanks!
- Steve
OK -- well I spoke too soon.
Even though I was able to make and image of the drive with Ghost 2003, when I restored the image to the same computer, I get a startup at the Windows Boot Manager that says (among other things...)
File:\Windows\System32\winload.exe
Status: 0xc00000e
Info: The selected entry could not be loaded because the application is missing or corrupt.
So, maybe Vista's just not ready to be "imaged" with Ghost?
I'm open for suggestions for things to try here...
- Steve
Using the -FDSP switch, force it to re-write the disk signature. This will enable you to boot the computer with the winload.exe problem.
Then, I run the fixntfs.exe utility in C:\boot with the -XP switch to rewrite the boot sector to be XP format. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Steve Maser" wrote in message
In article , Steve Maser maser@umich.edu> wrote:
Hi all,
The bootable Ghost 10 CD has the ability to make an image (Ghost 9 could only restore an image).
When I tried to make an image of my laptop that had Vista on it, it complained that the drive "could not be locked".
I booted up an old CD image I had of Ghost 2003 and that didn't complain, but that's using a DOS interface/boot.
Any thoughts on how to make Ghost 10 deal with this "unlockable" drive or why it might be doing that?
Thanks!
- Steve
OK -- well I spoke too soon.
Even though I was able to make and image of the drive with Ghost 2003, when I restored the image to the same computer, I get a startup at the Windows Boot Manager that says (among other things...)
File:\Windows\System32\winload.exe
Status: 0xc00000e
Info: The selected entry could not be loaded because the application is missing or corrupt.
So, maybe Vista's just not ready to be "imaged" with Ghost?
I'm open for suggestions for things to try here...
- Steve
Ghost 10 does NOT have the capability of creating an image when you boot from the "recovery" CD. It allows you to recover an image that you created while booted into Windows, where you "create" the image you later want to recover.
I also have that program.
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Richard Urban Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
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"Steve Maser" wrote in message
Hi all,
The bootable Ghost 10 CD has the ability to make an image (Ghost 9 could only restore an image).
When I tried to make an image of my laptop that had Vista on it, it complained that the drive "could not be locked".
I booted up an old CD image I had of Ghost 2003 and that didn't complain, but that's using a DOS interface/boot.
Any thoughts on how to make Ghost 10 deal with this "unlockable" drive or why it might be doing that?
Thanks!
- Steve
In article , Richard Urban wrote:
Ghost 10 does NOT have the capability of creating an image when you boot from the "recovery" CD. It allows you to recover an image that you created while booted into Windows, where you "create" the image you later want to recover.
I also have that program.
Sure it does -- I've personally done it a number of times.
It's something that the Ghost 10 CD now lets you do that the Ghost 9 CD had greyed out:
Boot from the CD.
Go to "recover" from the recovery disk main page.
Go to "recover using a legacy ghost image"
This runs the Ghost 8.2 Corporate Edition
Then you can do: Local --> Disk --> To Image
With the Ghost 9 CD, you could only restore "From Image".
This lets us -- using this CD and not "Ghost 2003" which we used previously -- make an image of our XP load set hard disk for redistribution.
We're trying to figure out if we can do the same thing with Vista builds.
- Steve
In article , Andre Da Costa wrote:
Using the -FDSP switch, force it to re-write the disk signature. This will enable you to boot the computer with the winload.exe problem.
Then, I run the fixntfs.exe utility in C:\boot with the -XP switch to rewrite the boot sector to be XP format.
This is using the switch *with ghost*?
Or when booted into the non-booting Windows Boot Manager?
- Steve
Please explain "exactly" how you get to this function when booting from the "Recovery" CD. Alas, I looked now three different times and do not see this option. Please give the path so I can see this also.
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Richard Urban Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
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"Steve Maser" wrote in message
In article , Richard Urban richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ghost 10 does NOT have the capability of creating an image when you boot from the "recovery" CD. It allows you to recover an image that you created while booted into Windows, where you "create" the image you later want to recover.
I also have that program.
Sure it does -- I've personally done it a number of times.
It's something that the Ghost 10 CD now lets you do that the Ghost 9 CD had greyed out:
Boot from the CD.
Go to "recover" from the recovery disk main page.
Go to "recover using a legacy ghost image"
This runs the Ghost 8.2 Corporate Edition
Then you can do: Local --> Disk --> To Image
With the Ghost 9 CD, you could only restore "From Image".
This lets us -- using this CD and not "Ghost 2003" which we used previously -- make an image of our XP load set hard disk for redistribution.
We're trying to figure out if we can do the same thing with Vista builds.
- Steve
Even the help file says "nothing" about ***creating*** an image while booted up in the CD recovery mode.
This IS Ghost 10 we are talking about - right, and NOT the Ghost 2003 CD that comes included in the package along with Ghost 10.
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Richard Urban Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
Quote from George Ankner: If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
"Richard Urban" wrote in message
Ghost 10 does NOT have the capability of creating an image when you boot from the "recovery" CD. It allows you to recover an image that you created while booted into Windows, where you "create" the image you later want to recover.
I also have that program.
--
Regards,
Richard Urban Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
Quote from George Ankner: If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
"Steve Maser" wrote in message Hi all,
The bootable Ghost 10 CD has the ability to make an image (Ghost 9 could only restore an image).
When I tried to make an image of my laptop that had Vista on it, it complained that the drive "could not be locked".
I booted up an old CD image I had of Ghost 2003 and that didn't complain, but that's using a DOS interface/boot.
Any thoughts on how to make Ghost 10 deal with this "unlockable" drive or why it might be doing that?
Thanks!
- Steve
In article , Richard Urban wrote:
Please explain "exactly" how you get to this function when booting from the "Recovery" CD. Alas, I looked now three different times and do not see this option. Please give the path so I can see this also.
Exactly:
Boot from the CD labelled "Norton Ghost 10.0" -- *not* the Norton Ghost 2003 CD.
This runs the "Starting Symantec Recovery Disk" (which I think is Windows PE, maybe?). Takes a while to boot.
Accept the license.
At the "Symantec Recovery Disk" screen.
Click "Recover" (below "Home")
On the "Recover Data on my Computer" screen, click "Recover using a legacy Ghost image"
This runs Ghost 8.2 Corporate Edition. The "Ghost 9.0" package would run "Ghost 8.0 Corporate"
If you've used Ghost before with this interface, you can do:
Local --> Disk --> To Image.
I'm not surprised it's not in the "help". It's certainly not intuitive to insert a "recovery" CD to *make* and image.
But it's there. We've used it a number of times.
Honest.
- Steve
In article , Richard Urban wrote:
Even the help file says "nothing" about ***creating*** an image while booted up in the CD recovery mode.
I'm not surprised. It's *new* with the Ghost Corporate 8.2 with Ghost 10 -- Ghost 9 had "8.0".
I'm sure it's somewhat "unsupported" -- but it works.
This IS Ghost 10 we are talking about - right, and NOT the Ghost 2003 CD that comes included in the package along with Ghost 10.
Correct! The 10.0 CD.
- Steve
Thanks. I will have to try this now.
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Regards,
Richard Urban Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
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"Steve Maser" wrote in message
In article , Richard Urban richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:
Please explain "exactly" how you get to this function when booting from the "Recovery" CD. Alas, I looked now three different times and do not see this option. Please give the path so I can see this also.
Exactly:
Boot from the CD labelled "Norton Ghost 10.0" -- *not* the Norton Ghost 2003 CD.
This runs the "Starting Symantec Recovery Disk" (which I think is Windows PE, maybe?). Takes a while to boot.
Accept the license.
At the "Symantec Recovery Disk" screen.
Click "Recover" (below "Home")
On the "Recover Data on my Computer" screen, click "Recover using a legacy Ghost image"
This runs Ghost 8.2 Corporate Edition. The "Ghost 9.0" package would run "Ghost 8.0 Corporate"
If you've used Ghost before with this interface, you can do:
Local --> Disk --> To Image.
I'm not surprised it's not in the "help". It's certainly not intuitive to insert a "recovery" CD to *make* and image.
But it's there. We've used it a number of times.
Honest.
- Steve
In article , Richard Urban wrote:
Thanks. I will have to try this now.
If you get it to work, see if you can make a successful image of a vista HD and restore it.
That's my initial problem. ;-)
- Steve
Steve,
To cure the winload problem you need to get into a bit of BCDEDIT! Boot your recovered PC with WinPE CD\boot path c:\windows\system32 bcdedit /store bcd (this shows you what's there already) you will see that the entries for device are not known do this: bcdedit /store bcd /set {bootmgr} device boot bcdedit /store bcd /set {default} device boot bcdedit /store bcd /set {default} osdevice boot
Reboot, that should do it Read more about bcdedit on Technet
Rick (UK)
"Steve Maser" wrote in message
In article , Steve Maser maser@umich.edu> wrote:
Hi all,
The bootable Ghost 10 CD has the ability to make an image (Ghost 9 could only restore an image).
When I tried to make an image of my laptop that had Vista on it, it complained that the drive "could not be locked".
I booted up an old CD image I had of Ghost 2003 and that didn't complain, but that's using a DOS interface/boot.
Any thoughts on how to make Ghost 10 deal with this "unlockable" drive or why it might be doing that?
Thanks!
- Steve
OK -- well I spoke too soon.
Even though I was able to make and image of the drive with Ghost 2003, when I restored the image to the same computer, I get a startup at the Windows Boot Manager that says (among other things...)
File:\Windows\System32\winload.exe
Status: 0xc00000e
Info: The selected entry could not be loaded because the application is missing or corrupt.
So, maybe Vista's just not ready to be "imaged" with Ghost?
I'm open for suggestions for things to try here...
- Steve
In article , Rick Eveleigh wrote:
Steve,
To cure the winload problem you need to get into a bit of BCDEDIT! Boot your recovered PC with WinPE CD\boot path c:\windows\system32 bcdedit /store bcd (this shows you what's there already) you will see that the entries for device are not known do this: bcdedit /store bcd /set {bootmgr} device boot bcdedit /store bcd /set {default} device boot bcdedit /store bcd /set {default} osdevice boot
Reboot, that should do it Read more about bcdedit on Technet
Rick (UK)
Thanks.
I'll hang on to this after I get the next seed of Vista if the problem still occurs there.
(and it might not happen on a "clean" install -- the last time we tried this was on the "upgrade"-type install -- which is still a clean install, but leaving the XP remnants on board...)
- Steve
I have made a successful image of 5270 using Ghost 10. I have also restored said image. I dual boot and created the image of the 5270 partition while I was booted into Win XP Professional. The next day I booted from the recovery CD and restored the Vista 5270 image.
The operation worked fine.
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Regards,
Richard Urban Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
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"Steve Maser" wrote in message
In article , Richard Urban richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:
Thanks. I will have to try this now.
If you get it to work, see if you can make a successful image of a vista HD and restore it.
That's my initial problem. ;-)
- Steve
In article , Richard Urban wrote:
I have made a successful image of 5270 using Ghost 10. I have also restored said image. I dual boot and created the image of the 5270 partition while I was booted into Win XP Professional. The next day I booted from the recovery CD and restored the Vista 5270 image.
The operation worked fine.
Ah, this isn't how we were trying it.
We were only trying it booting from the Ghost 10 CD to *make* the image.
Not from making an image from an installed Ghost 10 when booted in Windows...
There's a difference.
- Steve
From: Shenan Stanley Date: Sat, Jan 14 2006 6:15 pm Email: "Shenan Stanley" Groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize
"...Who knows what you might need to get rid of (and cannot after deleting the uninstall information for the patches) when you realize your badly written third party app broke and the programmer refuses to fix it beyond the work-around "Remove Microsoft patch KB#######"...." -----------------------------------------------------
Nope...
Never Happen To Me...
I avoid Rinky-Dink Third Party Applications like the plague and in the very unlikely event the scenario you describe above transpired I would UNINSTALL and ash-can the Third Party App LONG before I would start removing Microsoft KB patches as a work-around.
Ergo, ONCE AGAIN, I say PUT IT IN THE OPERATING SYSTEM, MICROSOFT.
I do not want the hassle of having to strap on some Third Party, Rinky-Dink App to do the job.
'Nuff Said.
DSH
I'd say go for 2GB+ RAM and disable that annoying virtual memory thing that keeps your HD spinning for eternity... you'll get a performance boost too for not letting Windows being lazy and using page files (virtual memory).
"Rithy Chhan" wrote in message
Dear all,
My Desktop is: P4 2.4Gz, 512 MB of RAM, 128 MB of VGA (Radeon), 40GB HDD 7200 rpm. Is it possible to run Vista?
Thanks
Rithy
Rithy Chhan wrote: | Dear all, | | My Desktop is: P4 2.4Gz, 512 MB of RAM, 128 MB of VGA (Radeon), 40GB HDD | 7200 rpm. Is it possible to run Vista? | | Thanks | | Rithy
Obviously yes.
Thanks you, my VGA is RADEON 9200SE, it's not onboard. I also have DVD-Rom. So I have to upgade the RAM to 1GB.
"Travis King" wrote in message
What kind of Radeon specifically is it? If it is a Radeon 9500 or up, you're good to go, but if it's below that or if it's onboard, I'd suggest you upgrade that also if possible. (That is if you want Aero Glass.) I also agree that you should at least double your RAM. 512MB is a lot in Windows XP, but in Vista, that's pretty much a minimum. Other than that, your computer should run Vista very well. Also, I'd recommend you have a DVD drive. (If not, a DVD burner.) If you have your 40 gig hard drive over half full right now, it might be a little cramped with Vista. "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Yes, but like Donny says, double the RAM. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm "Rithy Chhan" wrote in message Dear all,
My Desktop is: P4 2.4Gz, 512 MB of RAM, 128 MB of VGA (Radeon), 40GB HDD 7200 rpm. Is it possible to run Vista?
Thanks
Rithy
Almost certainly. (I'm using an AMD Athlon XP 2200+ 1.8GHz, 512MB of RAM, nVidia GeForce 5500, 80GB hard drive and it's flying.)
"Rithy Chhan" wrote in message
Dear all,
My Desktop is: P4 2.4Gz, 512 MB of RAM, 128 MB of VGA (Radeon), 40GB HDD 7200 rpm. Is it possible to run Vista?
Thanks
Rithy
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What's "Anna" anyway?
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Not that stankin' c*nt again!
Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor) wrote:
What's "Anna" anyway?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Anna
Cool thanks!
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Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor) wrote: What's "Anna" anyway?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Anna
On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 23:46:34 +0100, nubian wrote:
Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor) wrote: What's "Anna" anyway?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Anna
Phew, thank goodness for that, I had a horrible thought for a moment, that Vista was cancelled, and Microsoft Anna was a upgrade from Microsoft Bob ..... :-)
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Either one of those... but whatever is there, it's not English. Polish I think...
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Here's the screenshoot. It appears when i install new programs.
You would be much better off with either a "NVIDIA GeForce 6800," or a, "NVIDIA GeForce 7800 GTX."
"Travis King" wrote in message
My FX5600 arrived today. We'll see how it goes... When the public beta arrives.
Will this include MSDN Tester's this time?
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It is April now and the next CTP (Community Tech Preview) of Windows Vista still a few weeks out. If you do not have access to the latest CTP (February CTP, Build 5308) you can still download WinFX and the Windows SDK and start developing WinFX applications on Windows XP. ------------------------------------------ Nevertheless we want to give you an idea what's coming up in terms of user interface changes and improvements. Have a look at the videos demonstrating present versions of Windows Vista below.
But User eXperience is not only about new features. As developers, we need to step back and rethink what is useable and user friendly, instead of just adding flashy effects. The Windows shell team has done a lot of background work and I want to present you an example how we are reworking dialogs in Windows Vista."
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Will this include MSDN Tester's this time?
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It is April now and the next CTP (Community Tech Preview) of Windows Vista still a few weeks out. If you do not have access to the latest CTP (February CTP, Build 5308) you can still download WinFX and the Windows SDK and start developing WinFX applications on Windows XP. ------------------------------------------ Nevertheless we want to give you an idea what's coming up in terms of user interface changes and improvements. Have a look at the videos demonstrating present versions of Windows Vista below.
But User eXperience is not only about new features. As developers, we need to step back and rethink what is useable and user friendly, instead of just adding flashy effects. The Windows shell team has done a lot of background work and I want to present you an example how we are reworking dialogs in Windows Vista."
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It's a possibility... but it may not be a CTP. It still maybe an interim release... having said that, if Beta 2 (the CPP) is released in May, then one would presume that the April CTP will be also released to techy testers and possibly MSDN.
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Will this include MSDN Tester's this time?
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Quote: "Welcome to the second edition of the Beta Experience newsletter!
It is April now and the next CTP (Community Tech Preview) of Windows Vista still a few weeks out. If you do not have access to the latest CTP (February CTP, Build 5308) you can still download WinFX and the Windows SDK and start developing WinFX applications on Windows XP. ------------------------------------------ Nevertheless we want to give you an idea what's coming up in terms of user interface changes and improvements. Have a look at the videos demonstrating present versions of Windows Vista below.
But User eXperience is not only about new features. As developers, we need to step back and rethink what is useable and user friendly, instead of just adding flashy effects. The Windows shell team has done a lot of background work and I want to present you an example how we are reworking dialogs in Windows Vista."
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True - they are bloody good cards! Having said that, it does come down to whether Nvidia will support LDDM drivers for them or not :o(
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You would be much better off with either a "NVIDIA GeForce 6800," or a, "NVIDIA GeForce 7800 GTX."
"Travis King" wrote in message My FX5600 arrived today. We'll see how it goes... When the public beta arrives.
Zack, according to the following Website: http://www.nvidia.com/page/technology_vista_home.html all NVIDIA Graphics Cards extending from the GeForce 5200 FX Series to the GeForce 7900 Series are Windows Vista Ready Graphics Cards.
P.S. I very well may have gotten Original Poster's message messed up, thinking that he was talking about an NVIDIA GeForce 5600 FX, when he also might have been talking about an AMD Duel-Core FX 5600, if so I apoligize.
"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message
True - they are bloody good cards! Having said that, it does come down to whether Nvidia will support LDDM drivers for them or not :o(
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--: Original message follows :-- "Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message You would be much better off with either a "NVIDIA GeForce 6800," or a, "NVIDIA GeForce 7800 GTX."
"Travis King" wrote in message My FX5600 arrived today. We'll see how it goes... When the public beta arrives.
I have an Athlon XP 2400+ and AGP 4x, so I'd just have a bottleneck with that high of a graphics card anyway. (Especially the 7800.) While I know that most of any AGP 8x cards will support 4x, that'll just bring down the performance and bottleneck. My motherboard supports only up to a 266MHz FSB. (The 2nd revision of my board, however, supports 333, but mine's an older revision. It's the Asus A7V333 motherboard.) I have a 400-watt PSU (and just a CompUSA one at that.) That might be enough, but I don't know if I would want to push my luck. (I have two sticks of RAM - 3 soon, the CPU, FX5600, Creative Audigy soundcard, network card, 2 hard drives, 2 optical drives, a floppy drive, and three case fans already. I also have approximately eight USB devices connected to my computer right now.) The cost to buy that expensive of a video card for my computer would be more than it's worth, especially when on a budget like me I would probably have to spend the price of a new computer to really get what you want and what I want. (Because I wouldn't mind having a 6800 or a 7800.) We're talking a three-year-old computer here, and I would like to hold off to build a new computer until at least the first service pack of Vista is out. (Probably two years from now.) I also have been considering having a cheap partial rebuild done on my computer with just a few new components, (The motherboard, CPU, RAM) but I'd think it would be almost easier to wait a year or two and just build a whole new computer, especially when the computers are more ready for Vista than they are now. If Aero Glass runs poorly on my computer, I'll consider the partial rebuild, but if it runs well enough for my needs, I won't worry about it - at least for now. I have some sheets that I printed out that I will fill out where I will write some of the software I have that works and what doesn't. (Or what works but has problems.) I know there's some out there already, but some of them are not. "Zack Whittaker" wrote in message
True - they are bloody good cards! Having said that, it does come down to whether Nvidia will support LDDM drivers for them or not :o(
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--: Original message follows :-- "Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message You would be much better off with either a "NVIDIA GeForce 6800," or a, "NVIDIA GeForce 7800 GTX."
"Travis King" wrote in message My FX5600 arrived today. We'll see how it goes... When the public beta arrives.
Thats confusing, the April CTP is designated a CTP and you are saying its not a CTP? :-s -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message
It's a possibility... but it may not be a CTP. It still maybe an interim release... having said that, if Beta 2 (the CPP) is released in May, then one would presume that the April CTP will be also released to techy testers and possibly MSDN.
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--: Original message follows :-- "Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message Will this include MSDN Tester's this time?
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Quote: "Welcome to the second edition of the Beta Experience newsletter!
It is April now and the next CTP (Community Tech Preview) of Windows Vista still a few weeks out. If you do not have access to the latest CTP (February CTP, Build 5308) you can still download WinFX and the Windows SDK and start developing WinFX applications on Windows XP. ------------------------------------------ Nevertheless we want to give you an idea what's coming up in terms of user interface changes and improvements. Have a look at the videos demonstrating present versions of Windows Vista below.
But User eXperience is not only about new features. As developers, we need to step back and rethink what is useable and user friendly, instead of just adding flashy effects. The Windows shell team has done a lot of background work and I want to present you an example how we are reworking dialogs in Windows Vista."
From the Microsoft BETA Experience monthly newsletter
-- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
Should, no guarantees though. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message
Will this include MSDN Tester's this time?
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Quote: "Welcome to the second edition of the Beta Experience newsletter!
It is April now and the next CTP (Community Tech Preview) of Windows Vista still a few weeks out. If you do not have access to the latest CTP (February CTP, Build 5308) you can still download WinFX and the Windows SDK and start developing WinFX applications on Windows XP. ------------------------------------------ Nevertheless we want to give you an idea what's coming up in terms of user interface changes and improvements. Have a look at the videos demonstrating present versions of Windows Vista below.
But User eXperience is not only about new features. As developers, we need to step back and rethink what is useable and user friendly, instead of just adding flashy effects. The Windows shell team has done a lot of background work and I want to present you an example how we are reworking dialogs in Windows Vista."
From the Microsoft BETA Experience monthly newsletter
-- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
Next build - may or may not be Beta 2. It still maybe an interim build.
If the next build released is NOT Beta 2, then one would presume that the next build will be released to techy testers and possibly MSDN.
Basically, we'll just have to wait and see :oP
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--: Original message follows :-- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message
Thats confusing, the April CTP is designated a CTP and you are saying its not a CTP? :-s -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message It's a possibility... but it may not be a CTP. It still maybe an interim release... having said that, if Beta 2 (the CPP) is released in May, then one would presume that the April CTP will be also released to techy testers and possibly MSDN.
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--: Original message follows :-- "Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message Will this include MSDN Tester's this time?
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Quote: "Welcome to the second edition of the Beta Experience newsletter!
It is April now and the next CTP (Community Tech Preview) of Windows Vista still a few weeks out. If you do not have access to the latest CTP (February CTP, Build 5308) you can still download WinFX and the Windows SDK and start developing WinFX applications on Windows XP. ------------------------------------------ Nevertheless we want to give you an idea what's coming up in terms of user interface changes and improvements. Have a look at the videos demonstrating present versions of Windows Vista below.
But User eXperience is not only about new features. As developers, we need to step back and rethink what is useable and user friendly, instead of just adding flashy effects. The Windows shell team has done a lot of background work and I want to present you an example how we are reworking dialogs in Windows Vista."
From the Microsoft BETA Experience monthly newsletter
-- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
But only if it's a CTP... they might release another interim build... we just don't know yet :o(
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--: Original message follows :-- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message
Should, no guarantees though. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message Will this include MSDN Tester's this time?
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Quote: "Welcome to the second edition of the Beta Experience newsletter!
It is April now and the next CTP (Community Tech Preview) of Windows Vista still a few weeks out. If you do not have access to the latest CTP (February CTP, Build 5308) you can still download WinFX and the Windows SDK and start developing WinFX applications on Windows XP. ------------------------------------------ Nevertheless we want to give you an idea what's coming up in terms of user interface changes and improvements. Have a look at the videos demonstrating present versions of Windows Vista below.
But User eXperience is not only about new features. As developers, we need to step back and rethink what is useable and user friendly, instead of just adding flashy effects. The Windows shell team has done a lot of background work and I want to present you an example how we are reworking dialogs in Windows Vista."
From the Microsoft BETA Experience monthly newsletter
-- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
BETA 2 will be desguised as CTP, Jim Allchin made it clear in a CRN interview, CTPs for Vista until RC1. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message
Next build - may or may not be Beta 2. It still maybe an interim build.
If the next build released is NOT Beta 2, then one would presume that the next build will be released to techy testers and possibly MSDN.
Basically, we'll just have to wait and see :oP
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--: Original message follows :-- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Thats confusing, the April CTP is designated a CTP and you are saying its not a CTP? :-s -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message It's a possibility... but it may not be a CTP. It still maybe an interim release... having said that, if Beta 2 (the CPP) is released in May, then one would presume that the April CTP will be also released to techy testers and possibly MSDN.
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message Will this include MSDN Tester's this time?
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Quote: "Welcome to the second edition of the Beta Experience newsletter!
It is April now and the next CTP (Community Tech Preview) of Windows Vista still a few weeks out. If you do not have access to the latest CTP (February CTP, Build 5308) you can still download WinFX and the Windows SDK and start developing WinFX applications on Windows XP. ------------------------------------------ Nevertheless we want to give you an idea what's coming up in terms of user interface changes and improvements. Have a look at the videos demonstrating present versions of Windows Vista below.
But User eXperience is not only about new features. As developers, we need to step back and rethink what is useable and user friendly, instead of just adding flashy effects. The Windows shell team has done a lot of background work and I want to present you an example how we are reworking dialogs in Windows Vista."
From the Microsoft BETA Experience monthly newsletter
-- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
Ooooh, sneaky ;o)
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--: Original message follows :-- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message
BETA 2 will be desguised as CTP, Jim Allchin made it clear in a CRN interview, CTPs for Vista until RC1. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message Next build - may or may not be Beta 2. It still maybe an interim build.
If the next build released is NOT Beta 2, then one would presume that the next build will be released to techy testers and possibly MSDN.
Basically, we'll just have to wait and see :oP
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Thats confusing, the April CTP is designated a CTP and you are saying its not a CTP? :-s -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message It's a possibility... but it may not be a CTP. It still maybe an interim release... having said that, if Beta 2 (the CPP) is released in May, then one would presume that the April CTP will be also released to techy testers and possibly MSDN.
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message Will this include MSDN Tester's this time?
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Quote: "Welcome to the second edition of the Beta Experience newsletter!
It is April now and the next CTP (Community Tech Preview) of Windows Vista still a few weeks out. If you do not have access to the latest CTP (February CTP, Build 5308) you can still download WinFX and the Windows SDK and start developing WinFX applications on Windows XP. ------------------------------------------ Nevertheless we want to give you an idea what's coming up in terms of user interface changes and improvements. Have a look at the videos demonstrating present versions of Windows Vista below.
But User eXperience is not only about new features. As developers, we need to step back and rethink what is useable and user friendly, instead of just adding flashy effects. The Windows shell team has done a lot of background work and I want to present you an example how we are reworking dialogs in Windows Vista."
From the Microsoft BETA Experience monthly newsletter
-- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote:
Zack, it was specifically said in the Microsoft BETA Experience news letter, the "April CTP" is a few weeks out.
Probably been April 31 and April 61 ;-)
Zack, it was specifically said in the Microsoft BETA Experience news letter, the "April CTP" is a few weeks out. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message
But only if it's a CTP... they might release another interim build... we just don't know yet :o(
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--: Original message follows :-- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Should, no guarantees though. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message Will this include MSDN Tester's this time?
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Quote: "Welcome to the second edition of the Beta Experience newsletter!
It is April now and the next CTP (Community Tech Preview) of Windows Vista still a few weeks out. If you do not have access to the latest CTP (February CTP, Build 5308) you can still download WinFX and the Windows SDK and start developing WinFX applications on Windows XP. ------------------------------------------ Nevertheless we want to give you an idea what's coming up in terms of user interface changes and improvements. Have a look at the videos demonstrating present versions of Windows Vista below.
But User eXperience is not only about new features. As developers, we need to step back and rethink what is useable and user friendly, instead of just adding flashy effects. The Windows shell team has done a lot of background work and I want to present you an example how we are reworking dialogs in Windows Vista."
From the Microsoft BETA Experience monthly newsletter
-- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
Ahh OK :o) I stand corrected! :o)
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--: Original message follows :-- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message
Zack, it was specifically said in the Microsoft BETA Experience news letter, the "April CTP" is a few weeks out. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message But only if it's a CTP... they might release another interim build... we just don't know yet :o(
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--: Original message follows :-- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Should, no guarantees though. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message Will this include MSDN Tester's this time?
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Quote: "Welcome to the second edition of the Beta Experience newsletter!
It is April now and the next CTP (Community Tech Preview) of Windows Vista still a few weeks out. If you do not have access to the latest CTP (February CTP, Build 5308) you can still download WinFX and the Windows SDK and start developing WinFX applications on Windows XP. ------------------------------------------ Nevertheless we want to give you an idea what's coming up in terms of user interface changes and improvements. Have a look at the videos demonstrating present versions of Windows Vista below.
But User eXperience is not only about new features. As developers, we need to step back and rethink what is useable and user friendly, instead of just adding flashy effects. The Windows shell team has done a lot of background work and I want to present you an example how we are reworking dialogs in Windows Vista."
From the Microsoft BETA Experience monthly newsletter
-- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
When RC1?
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message
BETA 2 will be desguised as CTP, Jim Allchin made it clear in a CRN interview, CTPs for Vista until RC1. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message Next build - may or may not be Beta 2. It still maybe an interim build.
If the next build released is NOT Beta 2, then one would presume that the next build will be released to techy testers and possibly MSDN.
Basically, we'll just have to wait and see :oP
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Thats confusing, the April CTP is designated a CTP and you are saying its not a CTP? :-s -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message It's a possibility... but it may not be a CTP. It still maybe an interim release... having said that, if Beta 2 (the CPP) is released in May, then one would presume that the April CTP will be also released to techy testers and possibly MSDN.
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message Will this include MSDN Tester's this time?
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Quote: "Welcome to the second edition of the Beta Experience newsletter!
It is April now and the next CTP (Community Tech Preview) of Windows Vista still a few weeks out. If you do not have access to the latest CTP (February CTP, Build 5308) you can still download WinFX and the Windows SDK and start developing WinFX applications on Windows XP. ------------------------------------------ Nevertheless we want to give you an idea what's coming up in terms of user interface changes and improvements. Have a look at the videos demonstrating present versions of Windows Vista below.
But User eXperience is not only about new features. As developers, we need to step back and rethink what is useable and user friendly, instead of just adding flashy effects. The Windows shell team has done a lot of background work and I want to present you an example how we are reworking dialogs in Windows Vista."
From the Microsoft BETA Experience monthly newsletter
-- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message
BETA 2 will be desguised as CTP, Jim Allchin made it clear in a CRN interview, CTPs for Vista until RC1. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message Next build - may or may not be Beta 2. It still maybe an interim build.
If the next build released is NOT Beta 2, then one would presume that the next build will be released to techy testers and possibly MSDN.
Basically, we'll just have to wait and see :oP
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Thats confusing, the April CTP is designated a CTP and you are saying its not a CTP? :-s -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message It's a possibility... but it may not be a CTP. It still maybe an interim release... having said that, if Beta 2 (the CPP) is released in May, then one would presume that the April CTP will be also released to techy testers and possibly MSDN.
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message Will this include MSDN Tester's this time?
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Quote: "Welcome to the second edition of the Beta Experience newsletter!
It is April now and the next CTP (Community Tech Preview) of Windows Vista still a few weeks out. If you do not have access to the latest CTP (February CTP, Build 5308) you can still download WinFX and the Windows SDK and start developing WinFX applications on Windows XP. ------------------------------------------ Nevertheless we want to give you an idea what's coming up in terms of user interface changes and improvements. Have a look at the videos demonstrating present versions of Windows Vista below.
But User eXperience is not only about new features. As developers, we need to step back and rethink what is useable and user friendly, instead of just adding flashy effects. The Windows shell team has done a lot of background work and I want to present you an example how we are reworking dialogs in Windows Vista."
From the Microsoft BETA Experience monthly newsletter
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When will the CPP come out and will it be free?
I sure wish you had snipped off all the stuff you quoted, only to post a single-line question bottom-posted.
Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP aspnetfaq.com : http://www.aspnetfaq.com/ asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/ foros de asp.net, en español : http://asp.net.do/foros/ =================================== "michael e dziatkowicz" wrote in message huge snip...
When will the CPP come out and will it be free?
Juan T. Llibre schrieb:
I sure wish you had snipped off all the stuff you quoted, only to post a single-line question bottom-posted.
I sure wish you had given an answer to the question:
When is RC1? It'll be after RC0 ;o)
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--: Original message follows :-- "Rithy Chhan" wrote in message
When RC1?
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message BETA 2 will be desguised as CTP, Jim Allchin made it clear in a CRN interview, CTPs for Vista until RC1. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message Next build - may or may not be Beta 2. It still maybe an interim build.
If the next build released is NOT Beta 2, then one would presume that the next build will be released to techy testers and possibly MSDN.
Basically, we'll just have to wait and see :oP
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--: Original message follows :-- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Thats confusing, the April CTP is designated a CTP and you are saying its not a CTP? :-s -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message It's a possibility... but it may not be a CTP. It still maybe an interim release... having said that, if Beta 2 (the CPP) is released in May, then one would presume that the April CTP will be also released to techy testers and possibly MSDN.
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--: Original message follows :-- "Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message Will this include MSDN Tester's this time?
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Quote: "Welcome to the second edition of the Beta Experience newsletter!
It is April now and the next CTP (Community Tech Preview) of Windows Vista still a few weeks out. If you do not have access to the latest CTP (February CTP, Build 5308) you can still download WinFX and the Windows SDK and start developing WinFX applications on Windows XP. ------------------------------------------ Nevertheless we want to give you an idea what's coming up in terms of user interface changes and improvements. Have a look at the videos demonstrating present versions of Windows Vista below.
But User eXperience is not only about new features. As developers, we need to step back and rethink what is useable and user friendly, instead of just adding flashy effects. The Windows shell team has done a lot of background work and I want to present you an example how we are reworking dialogs in Windows Vista."
From the Microsoft BETA Experience monthly newsletter
-- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
Soon :o) End of April/mid-May we expect.
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--: Original message follows :-- "michael e dziatkowicz" wrote in message
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message BETA 2 will be desguised as CTP, Jim Allchin made it clear in a CRN interview, CTPs for Vista until RC1. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message Next build - may or may not be Beta 2. It still maybe an interim build.
If the next build released is NOT Beta 2, then one would presume that the next build will be released to techy testers and possibly MSDN.
Basically, we'll just have to wait and see :oP
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Thats confusing, the April CTP is designated a CTP and you are saying its not a CTP? :-s -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message It's a possibility... but it may not be a CTP. It still maybe an interim release... having said that, if Beta 2 (the CPP) is released in May, then one would presume that the April CTP will be also released to techy testers and possibly MSDN.
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message Will this include MSDN Tester's this time?
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Quote: "Welcome to the second edition of the Beta Experience newsletter!
It is April now and the next CTP (Community Tech Preview) of Windows Vista still a few weeks out. If you do not have access to the latest CTP (February CTP, Build 5308) you can still download WinFX and the Windows SDK and start developing WinFX applications on Windows XP. ------------------------------------------ Nevertheless we want to give you an idea what's coming up in terms of user interface changes and improvements. Have a look at the videos demonstrating present versions of Windows Vista below.
But User eXperience is not only about new features. As developers, we need to step back and rethink what is useable and user friendly, instead of just adding flashy effects. The Windows shell team has done a lot of background work and I want to present you an example how we are reworking dialogs in Windows Vista."
From the Microsoft BETA Experience monthly newsletter
-- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
When will the CPP come out and will it be free?
And the answer is soon - end of April or mid-May but nobody's quite sure :o)
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--: Original message follows :-- "Roy Coorne" wrote in message
Juan T. Llibre schrieb: I sure wish you had snipped off all the stuff you quoted, only to post a single-line question bottom-posted.
I sure wish you had given an answer to the question:
When will the CPP come out and will it be free?
Possibly ;) -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Mike Williams" wrote in message
Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote: Zack, it was specifically said in the Microsoft BETA Experience news letter, the "April CTP" is a few weeks out.
Probably been April 31 and April 61 ;-)
Not known at this time, and if I did known it wouldn't make sense telling you since its not publicly revealed and always subject to change. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Rithy Chhan" wrote in message
When RC1?
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message BETA 2 will be desguised as CTP, Jim Allchin made it clear in a CRN interview, CTPs for Vista until RC1. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message Next build - may or may not be Beta 2. It still maybe an interim build.
If the next build released is NOT Beta 2, then one would presume that the next build will be released to techy testers and possibly MSDN.
Basically, we'll just have to wait and see :oP
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless